Saturday, August 23, 2008

  • Question of the Day: Switching Denominations

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    I recently heard that yet another one of my friends is leaving the ranks of Protestantism and joining the Catholic Church.

    A lot of my friends have made the same jump-from a church background on the not-liturgical side of things to either the Episcopal or Catholic church.

    Personally, I don't think it matters too much where you worship as long as the Bible is taught there and you feel that your relationship with God is enhanced by attending.

    The purpose of this post is to encourage discussion of this trend. I would love to hear from people who switched over about why you did it and how it's made a difference in your life. I would also love to hear from anyone who went the opposite direction, from liturgical to something else.

Comments (172)

  • trunthepaige@xanga

    For me I can't even think in terms of denominational locality.  So it seems this is a very old and long running tend.

    Now becoming a Catholic is a big deal, if you are coming from a none liturgical reformed chruch. I don't know anyone who ever done it. And Episcopal churches around here are all but dead buildings. I would think a lot of Episcopalians and Lutherans would be conformable in a Catholic chruch. A Baptist on the other hand  . . .

  • momaduck@xanga

      I have left The Mennonite denomination. The reason I did was I believe they put to much stress on the outward things. Such as dress and the things you do or don't do. Although some of that is important it is first off the change of the heart that makes the difference. I feel they stress to much what or how we do things and not enough on the change of heart. Even though I can go back there and worship God with them. And I know there are those there that are Christian people. I just would rather be a part of a church that believes a little more like I do. I feel I can be a better testimony to others that way. 

  • SQ_Mushy@xanga

    I've never jump from one denomination to another before and I never will. The church where I am going right now and its' community emphasized putting God first in everything we do and they do. We had some problems, but we were able to get through it.

  • KechiNeko244@xanga

    I was a lutheran once, and my brothers and I jokingly called the Lutheran church "Catholicism's younger brother". There were a lot of unnecessary rules and traditions, as well as boring Sunday School classes. We switched over to a Christian and Missionary Alliance church, which is more non-denominational, and I never looked back.


    I could never switch over to Catholicism but it's my personal belief that praying to Mary is idolatry. I also don't believe in confessing to a priest if you can confess straight to God. Not trying to start an argument, just stating my opinion.

  • scoopsofpoops@xanga

    Religion is man, spirituality is key.  I changed denominations from Roman Catholic to Assembly of God ( I was kind of pressured into it).  Because of my work schedule I never go to church, yet I pray, I read the bible as well as other spiritual readings.  I also am very much into the teachings of Buddhism, in my opinion Buddhism coincides with the teachings of Christ....just live a life of Love and compassion....

  • TheMarriedFreshman@xanga

    I grew up in a NE Baptist church. Lots of gospel preaching and self-improvement sermons, as well as great foundational teaching. It was a good place to start, I think, but by the time I reached high school I had "outgrown" the level of teaching going on. I don't belittle my old church for this; it's where they were at the time. God was calling me forward and I was doing so while respecting my pastors and elders. But when I got married at 19, I went with my husband to his home church, which is a nondenominational/Pentecostal type. Now THAT was a big change for me at first. I love new experiences like that, and the transition was pretty painless because I was always open to other forms of worship besides the old grey hymnal and things like that. But the idea of speaking in tongues and healing... those were hard for me to swallow. My Baptist church had expressed a conviction that speaking in tongues was dead, that apostles were no longer necessary, that all we had to do was make ourselves better Christians and tell other people about Jesus and we'd be fulfilling all God wanted for us.


    I believe I have done something other than a denominational switch. At the risk of sounding pompous or holier-than-thou, I believe God has shown me a way to rise above denomination. He's shown me that the way to worship and encourage both my Baptist church and my current church is to learn the way of love and the Kingdom. I love my old church and I love my new one. I know both are sincere about following God and both have strengths and weaknesses, which, if they worked together, would be a great combo. I want to do all I can to bring the order and principles of God into all areas of life: myself, my family, the Church, the business world, and the civil government.


    And just for the record, I don't believe tongues is dead, nor do I believe that apostles are no longer necessary. Of course, this is a discussion that can last forever and never change anyone's mind, but I wanted to be open with you all.
    Denominations and loyalties to them are, in my opinion, providing a great way to "divide and conquer" the Church. Ultimately, Christ will be victorious and He will have His Bride, but for now I think the Church is grievously fragmented. I'm doing what I can to bridge the gaps relevant to me and bring the unity of the Body of Christ into reality.


    ~Victoria

  • ashleyannaka@xanga

    I used to be "Episcopalian". I put that in quotes because it was not my choice to be so. My parents were, so naturally, I would be as well; at least until I got older. We stopped attending church altogether when I was in the 9th grade. When I was able to drive, I felt like I needed church back in my life, as did my sister. So we tried out a couple and ended up at the Baptist Church. While some of the semantics I don't agree with (i.e. no drinking or dancing -- I think drinking is fine in moderation and I see nothing wrong with dancing as long as it's not dirty dancing, but I'm sure the majority of churches don't exactly like dirty dancing either!), I do agree with a lot of it...praise//worship style and style of sermon-giving. Now, I didn't hate the Episcopal church, and I might try it out again eventually. I was quite young when I went there. Though, I do feel like they and the Catholics really just have way too much "stuff", traditions, etc. A lot they "have" to do. *shrugs* It's kind of funny I'd say I don't really like the traditions considering I go to a University centered around tradition--if you know anything about Texas A&M then you know what I'm talking about! Anyway back to the topic. I agree with KechiNeko about the Catholics. There's really just a lot of stuff they do that I really do not agree with. Confession to a priest being the main one. Just my opinion though.


    Anyway, about switching? My mother, however, switched from Catholicism to Episcopalianism. Much of my step-family (my step dad's family) switched from Catholicism to Protestantism to not even Christian and one became a Jew. So...that was an even bigger jump.

  • mariahatescupcakes@xanga

    The idea of denominations is totally unbiblical and the catholic chuch itself is unbiblical.

  • musicmom60@xanga

    @KechiNeko244@xanga - I completely agree, the whole praying to Mary and Saints thing really bothers me, as well as going through a priest for everything, when we can talk to God directly about anything we need to.  There are too many barriers in the Catholic church.


    I was raised Lutheran, also, and as of right now, Christian is way more important to me than staying Lutheran.  I'm at a crossroads...if I find a Lutheran church that's actually Biblical and suits my family's needs, I'll go there, but in the Midwest, I have found the Lutheran churches to be very pastor-driven and not Bible-driven.
  • Doubledb@xanga

    I think many people go back and froth between protestant and catholic... I think people are just more open about it than they use too be because of the breakdown between (the importance of) denominations now days.

  • KechiNeko244@xanga

    @musicmom60@xanga - It's very true about the Lutheran churches being Pastor-driven. That's actually exactly why we (and a lot of other people) left the Lutheran church we were attending.

  • metal_core1@xanga

    I've never heard of someone going from "Protestantism" to Catholicism. After attending a "Protestant" church for a while, you're usually going to get used to Biblical accuracy, feel mere traditions have no place in worship, and find the idea of a pope unbiblical and silly. The whole view of saving-faith is a lot stronger and Christ based in a "protestant" church than in a catholic church as well (at least for Roman Catholics). I know a ton of people who have gone from Catholic churches to evangelic non-denominational or baptist, but never from anything evangelic to Catholic.


    I'd love to hear thoughts from anyone who has actually switched from a "Protestant" church to a Catholic one. I really want to know your reasoning behind it.

  • sierrraa@xanga

    I left Catholicism to join a Pentecostal church a long, long time ago as an act of rebellion against my parents. Six years later, I'm finding that I'm still very Catholic in my doctrine, with a little bit of Methodist thrown in.

  • sierrraa@xanga

    @metal_core1@xanga - I know a pretty big number of people who have switched from a protestant church to Roman Catholicism. Personally, I like knowing that every other RC church is doing the same readings and liturgy as I am. The protestant church is so dis-unified. There's so much talk about being one body, but it's really not at all. I also like knowing that things at the RCC is more or less done the same way as it has been for hundreds of years. Also, in a Protestant church, the "biblical accuracy" is really at the discretion of the pastor and elders, while everyone in the RCC more or less believes the same thing.

    It kills me that people in protestant churches have such contempt for their brothers and sisters int he RCC. My old pastor at the pentecostal church I went to would preach sermons bashing Catholics at least once a year, using a bunch of lies that protestants usually use against Catholics as truth (Liiike.. we pray to Mary, we believe that works save you and not God. None of that is true.).

  • TheMarriedFreshman@xanga

    @sierrraa@xanga - I have never had a real opportunity to ask a practicing Catholic the "real deal" about the whole Mary thing. What do they believe about her?


    ~V

  • itsaverb@xanga

    @TheMarriedFreshman@xanga - Praying to Mary and the saints isn't idolatry (a common misconception).  It's the same idea as asking a friend to pray for you for something.  When we pray to Mary or the saints we're asking them to pray for us and with us to God.

  • Theophilus166@xanga

    @mariahatescupcakes@xanga - the idea of sermons, sunday school, church buildings, youth pastors, Christmas, and powerpoint are also "un"biblical.

  • RoseCrow@xanga

    I was raised Methodist and So. Baptist, and if I returned to the church, it would probably be Episcopalian because of the ritual aspect.  I eventually left the church because it is patriarchal and does not empower women to any spiritual authority (imo).I have been wiccan, pagan and gnostic, and now prefer to claim no religion, because in each one there is a Ray of the Divine, and the differences only lead to war and conflict.  The Christian Church has yet to learn that there is strength in diversity (a generalized statement that does not apply to all congregations, of course).  I still pray to Jesus, but I also pray to the Great Spirit, the Universal Life Force, the Cause of all Causes and Aset (Isis, Mother, etc...), because I believe that each of these appelations contains an aspect of Face of the Divine, Creator.  Most of all, I pray for peace.

  • SQ_Mushy@xanga

    I've only recently taken my faith seriously and actually try to learn about it, which means I am still learning. But from what my family and I believes and what is taught at church:


    Mary is the mother of God (Jesus Christ), Jesus raised both her body and soul up into heaven (the ascension), the Immaculate Conception, She is a virgin, We pray to her for her intercession, We DON'T WORSHIP Mary, We HONOR her, there's probably more that I don't know.


                                     



  • Theophilus166@xanga

    @itsaverb@xanga - The problem with that is that scripture is clear that there is only one mediator between ourselves and God (Hebrews 8).  We cannot contact the dead (Isaiah 8), including the dead saints that have gone before us. We cannot ask Mary to pray any more than we can talk to our dead grandparents and ask them to pray for us.  I know the Catholic Church puts a spin on it where you're not praying to Mary, you're asking her to pray for you.

    However, like it or not, when someone living is trying to communicate with a spiritual being without a physical body, it's prayer. You can't change the terminology to make it 'OK.'

    I'm not a person who has a grudge against the Catholic Church or anything - but I will speak out against doctrines that contradict the teachings of scripture. The immaculate conception, the perpetual virginity of Mary, and purgatory are a few examples of doctrines that simply contradict scripture.

  • Amarisa@xanga

    I'm one of those who converted from Protestantism to Roman Catholicism.  The reason why is more than I can explain in a single comment, but I can say that it basically came down to an issue of authority and unity.

  • itsaverb@xanga

    @Theophilus166@xanga - Actually, those doctrines are all biblically based. 

    Also, while we can redefine praying all day, the important concept remains.  We aren't praying to the saints and Mary to worship them.  Worship is something we can only give to God.  We ask them to intercede for us.  Though they might be "dead" in the physical sense, they are very alive in heaven and they are constantly praying for us anyways (Rev. 5:8).

    A lot of great doctrines are explained on lifeteen.com if you're ever curious.

  • Theophilus166@xanga

    First of all, please show me where purgatory, the immaculate conception, and the perpetual virginity of Mary are in scripture.

    In Revelation 5, the word "saints" must be understood as prayers of Christians.  The word "saints" in scripture is always used to describe living believers.  The imagery in Revelation 5 describes the angels with bowls of incense, which are the prayers of the saints (the living here on earth.)  To use that verse to justify attempting to communicate with the dead is taking it completely out of context, and ignoring its usage throughout the New Testament.

    Is there a difference between me saying "I'm going to pray to Jesus." and "I'm going to talk to Jesus."  They really mean the same thing.  So why do we play mental gymnastics to get them to mean different things when it comes to communicating with dead saints?

  • my0nlyh0p3@xanga

    I myself am a Roman, Charismatic Catholic. :) I know quite a few people who were part of some protestant denomination and switched to the Catholic church. If you're really all that interested, check out books by Scott Hahn. 

  • blessed_saint_catherine@xanga

    I converted from southern baptist to Orthodox Christian, which to most protestants probably looks a lot like catholicism. there are thousands of protestants like me, and many ten thousands more who convert to catholicism.

    we do so because we recognize the error of the doctrine of sola scriptura which ends up being a license for private and selective interpretation. we do so because we know that in order to have life we must eat Christ's Body and drink His blood (St John 6) and cannot do so in a protestant church. we do so because we recognize that protestants believe many novel doctrines that are entirely foreign to the faith of the Apostles.

    it takes much prayer and study to make the leap from "bible-based" prot denominations to a "traditional denomination" (neither Orthodoxy nor catholicism considers itself a denom but rather the Church which Christ founded). there are plenty of convert bloggers out there who are eager to tell their story, and with only a bit of looking you can find them. I'll give you a headstart: here's a link to catholic converts (http://catholic-converts.blogspot.com/) and here's a link to orthodox conversion stories (http://orthodoxwiki.org/Journeys_to_Orthodoxy).

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