Monday, September 29, 2008
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Should Ministers Advise Worshipers How to Vote?
by mr oakThere's an interesting article in the Washington Post today about 33 pastors who are breaking a law that prohibited U.S. clergy from endorsing political candidates from the pulpit.
This is against an amendment to the tax code that was made in 1954 which states that tax-exempt entities may not "participate in, or intervene in . . . any political campaign on behalf of any candidate for public office."
These pastors are trying to generate a legal battle to throwout the 54-year-old ban on political endorsements by churches.
The ministers believe this is a violation of their constitutional rights.
What do you think of this? Should Ministers have the right to advise their worshipers on how to vote?
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I think ministers have the right to say who they are voting for and possibly explain the reasons why they believe said candidate is a good choice, but by no means should they pressure their congregation to vote likewise.
Ministers DO have the right.
The issue has to do with them being tax-exempt as a church. If they want that status, then the govt asks them to not promote a specific candidate (though they can promote issues).
No church or ministry is "forced" to be tax-exempt.
saytebyo has it right. No pressuring-the-congregation, but why should they be disallowed from expressing their own personal (as opposed to church-endorsed) opinion?
Hubbaduh is right. If the church is paying taxes to the government, then they can advise their members who to vote for because then the church, the INSTITUTION itself, is monetarily involved in the government. But if they're not forking over money, then they shouldn't really be involved in political campaigns.
I think the issue here has to do with being politically involved/influential without having to pay taxes. They're not limiting pastors from saying it altogether, political promotion/bashing is just not allowed in institutions that are given tax breaks.
no thats crazy....let the congregation decide for themselves!
I don't think ANYONE should right out TELL you who to vote for, nor should you blindly believe anyone who tells you. But I do think it's important that pastors be able to talk about the issues (which they are allowed to do) and plain out state facts about each canidate...especially when it comes to issues that violate our morals and our faith. From then on it is in the hands of the congregation.
Given the entire Protestant premise of personal relationships with God, definitely not. (Thank goodness for privacy in the polling booth, too.) I find the tax-exemption premise a little shakier, but I'm glad it's there, at least. Given the recent shift in what aspects of Christian principles to emphasize in politics, the ban is a really good thing.
church and state are supposed to be separated, right?
Should revelife posts have a big picture of Obama in them, right before the comment section, as some of them do? Just askin'!
I don't agree with people in a leadership position voicing their opinions regarding their political views, because it can sway the general audience one way or the other. As long as the audience is of sound mind and are able to make their own determinations based on their own views and research. I don't see a problem with it, but normally all I see are people who lack the ability to do for themselves and rely on others to make decisions for them. I also disagree with teachers voicing their political views openly in a classroom setting. Ministers may voice their opinions as long as they aren't on the pulpit, and it is an intimate setting, where people are able to provide their own ideas into the mix.
I can understand why a minister would want to advice their audience. The decisions people in political positions directly effect the church sometimes, regardless of the churches tax exempt status.
seperation of church and state that is why this country was started lets stay that way
Is the calling to ministry to a call to represent a candidate/political party or a call to represent Christ?
I agree with naphtali_deer.
beyond that - what I think is more the issue, here - our God is not limited to anything so small as politics. it is fruitless to attempt to fit Him into our institutions instead of believing that He can do whatever, whenever, however (Heb. 12:26-29). our political system will not be around forever. if you view elections as a spiritual matter - i.e., having eternal value - I think you are mistaken.
which is better: to vote for the person who you support on "the issues," or cry out to God for our nation to be changed and for Him to use the person He has put in authority over us, so that His will will be carried out? (Rom. 13)
I'm not saying that no one should vote... but if ministers of God believe that it's their calling to push certain candidates, then I don't think they're trusting God, or going about it the right way. if asked in private what their political opinions are, I think it's fine to share them; if they speak them from the pulpit, their comments are out of place.
but what are we more concerned with, anyway: having laws passed to enact (temporal) change, or praying for God to enact REAL change in hearts and lives for eternity?
Ministers have freedom of speech like the rest of us Americans. They should be able to discuss their political views. God gave us brains to use & we shouldn't follow anyone blindly.
Should followers be advised from the pulpit? No. What does that have to do with worshipping God?
One has to wonder - restricting certain parts of speech is the beginning of a slippery descent into more restricted speech.
Ministers should focus on teaching the bible, not making political stands. While I believe they could intertwine on certain issues (most notably, justice), I don't think endorsing a candidate qualifies. Teach scripture, and teach your congregation how to make God-honoring decisions.
If you have to tell your congregation how to vote, it's because you haven't taught them how to ask themselves what it looks like to follow Christ. In the words of Derek Webb (tongue in cheek, of course) "Don't teach me about politics and government, just tell me who to vote for....."
I think its ok for a minister to recommend that we do not vote for pro-abortion candidates. Anything which opposes the good hurts our society, so to say nothing out of fear could lead to the demise of our country -- in which case there would be no separation of church and state debate; the church would still be there, but the state could come to an end. People who care about the state must speak publicly about what is right and wrong.
@busymomd@xanga -
"Ministers have freedom of speech like the
rest of us Americans. They should be able to discuss their political
views. God gave us brains to use & we shouldn't follow anyone
blindly."
They are perfectly able to speak on their own behalf. They just can't speak for the church, an organization that is tax exempt. If the church wants to endorse a candidate, fine. But if an organization wants to remain tax-exempt, it should keep from endorsing candidates. What's complicated about that?
"One has to wonder - restricting certain parts of speech is the beginning of a slippery descent into more restricted speech."
No speech is being restricted. And if this is such a slippery descent, I guess we just have felt the aftereffects over 50 years later.
@naphtali_deer@xanga - The call to ministry iwould appear to be more to represent Christ rather than any political candidate. If ministers spent more time focusing on politcal candidates then on Christ's mission, they would not be giving Him the honor He is due.
I don't think pastors should tell their members who to vote for. Most devout members of a pastors' flock, (if they were following politics) would be more likely to either have already made up their minds anyway, or would at least consider what the Lord would have them do and what would enable them to keep on doing His will in their lives if they still weren't sure how to vote.
The fact is that for 160 years, prior to enactment of the 1954 amendment to the federal tax code, ministers were free to preach for or against the election of any candidate. We are not talking here about whether such preaching is a good idea or a bad one. Just whether doing so was lawful, and it was lawful.
Consider just one real life, pre-1954 example:
In the run up to the election, two ministers were published broadly as describing the candidate a heretic. The ministers preached from their pulpits against the election of the candidate. The basis for calling the candidate a heretic was found in the candidate's published writings.
The candidate had expressed the opinion that Africans who lived among the American people were a different and lower order of creation than the White man. The candidate's conclusions reflected his attempt to apply scientific principles to his real life, daily observations. The problem for the writer, of course, was that the Holy Scriptures do not describe God's creation of man as having produced two separate races with a higher white race and a lower black race resulting.
Today, undoubtedly, the candidate would never utter such thoughts. Today, undoubtedly, the candidate would shred and burn even a private diary containing such thoughts. Back then, however, Thomas Jefferson was too overly impressed with his personal genius to keep his dark thoughts private (or even to recognize that they were dark thoughts).
In the end, Jefferson's election was not by a popular majority. Instead, it was the constitutional debacle that resulted in a tie vote in the Electoral College, the resolution of the election by the House of Representatives, and ultimately, to the adoption of the Twelfth Amendment.
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In my view, it is a distortion of the Constitution to tolerate the patently unconstitutional speech restriction that results in the silent pulpit.
Our history is inextricably bound up with the liberated (not liberal) pulpit. Read "Propaganda and the American Revolution" or a similar work and you get a grasp of the role of the preaching pulpit in fomenting the American Revolution that led to our liberation from England. Read Ellis Sandoz's "Political Sermons of the Founding Era" and you get a grasp of the command that the pulpit had for instructing not just voters but also elected officials in the Word of God and His revealed purposes.
I can't predict success for the Alliance Defense Fund's campaign. But I can hope for it, and admire the men and women who participate in it for their courageous stands.
Jim Henderson
Senior Counsel
The American Center for Law and Justice, Inc.
It is my belief that a minister can have an opinion about who they personally support in an election, and outside of the pulpit they are welcome to advocate for that candidate to their heart's content.
However I think come Sunday morning, the focus needs to be on God. The minister can certainly provide Biblical insight into current issues, but I think from a spiritual standpoint it's more important to focus on the standards God has set for us, and what his Word says to us about the issues facing us today. To me, the pulpit is not the place to push an individual candidate or political agenda.
As others have pointed out, churches are tax-exempt. With that comes some rules about not using the pulpit as a means of campaigning for one candidate or the other. I think most responsible pastors understand that, and would readily acknowledge the value in not trying to push a particular agenda on individuals, particularly in such an emotionally and spiritually charged venue as a church. It just seems like pandering and trying to use the old tool of guilt to sway people to your side.
I'd just like to hope that the members of the congregations would stand up and say "Pastor I appreciate your opinion, but you're jeopardizing our church's tax-exempt status and you're pushing your opinion on us instead of understanding through the grace of God we have free will to choose for ourselves." When it comes down to it, the church is made of those sitting in pews, not the leadership. And it's certainly not up to an individual to break the law (which Christ specifically tells us not to do) in the name of "taking a stand."
@whataboutbahb@xanga - I understand what the law says, and I hear what you are saying in regard to the law. Explaining the law was neither the question I read nor answered.
I do believe this is unconstitutional. There are other organizations with private memberships whose leadership not only endorse, but lobby for candidates all the time at local, state & national levels. I am old enough to recall the Reverends Martin Luther King, Jr. and Jesse Jackson using their positions to influence voters, and in Jackson's case, even to run for office. It is interesting to me that the law is going to be enforced now that more conservative voices are speakiing out.
Politics are in my face all the time, esp. now. I am registered as an Independent, so I get nuisance calls and unwanted mail from both sides - one might even say a politically balanced waste of time and money. Even the government's Do Not Call list doesn't apply to political calls. Someone else's computer has the right to impose their views on me, yet a particular person can't? I don't recall becoming a 'Stepford voter' in a robotic society.
I would despise having my worship services turned into political forums, yet I have the freedom to choose how & where to worship, like anyone else in this country. I have the option to worship where there is true worship if that is what I want.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Evelyn Beatrice Hall.
Under our constitutional rights of free speech, I believe it is wrong to impose restricitons on any particular group of people. I believe ministers and other folks affected by that law are correct to challenge its constitutionality.
You may disagree with me. That is one beauty of the freedoms we have in this country; freedoms which were purchased & maintained at a great cost in lives by people who never even knew us because they believed in defending to the death our right to have them.
if a religious leader wants to talk politics, they should either:
1) do it as an American citizen, away from the congregation
2) give up their tax-exempt status (something i don't think any religious institution should ever have, anyway)
No, ministers should NOT tell people how to vote. i don't care if you call it "advise" but it's political agenda just the same. The same kind of stuff they acuse homosexuals of doing.
Do they have the right to state their opinion? Heck yeah! Just as much as celebrities, and ministers should have more credibility for people to actually listen. But tell/ advise who to vote for? A resounding NO.
i've been to churches where the pastor has pretty much told the congregation to vote for a certain candidate (see: the most republican one who will abolish separation of church and state and instate a theocracy and who is against gay marriage and abortion, the stock issues) and it sickens me. they say, vote for this candidate or that candidate and if you don't, well, you're disgracing jesus. would jesus vote for GWB? yes, so vote for him. look how that turned out