Friday, October 17, 2008
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Being Friends With My Ex? NEVAR!!
The datingish entry from a couple of weeks ago, Can You Be Friends with Your Ex? got me thinking about how I would apply my faith to that question - to be more precise, does "love your enemies" suggest that I shouldn't have cut contact with my ex, a.k.a. my personal Satan incarnate? Okay, maybe that's a little too much, but this guy's definitely not someone I want to include in my life.Honestly, I think the best witness (especially to the aforementioned ex, who is not a Christian), would be to forgive him, maintain a civil (if distant) relationship, and to not backstab him or cause a whole ton of drama.
But what if it's necessary to totally cut the person off in order to get over your feelings? What if you remain friends with the ex, only for the situation to turn out even worse in the end? (Mutual friends are confused about about the group chemistry, feelings are still there, second shot at the relationship fails horribly, "goodbye hookups" ensue, blah blah blah, consult any primetime sitcom for reference.) I personally believe that some people aren't worth keeping my life - it's not worth the effort to keep with them, and when they're there, more harm occurs than good; however, I'm not sure how well that aligns with "If you love those who love you, what reward will you get?" or "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."
Is it really EVIL to cut a person out of your life, though? After my relationship ended (miserably, thank you Captain Obvious), I felt so distressed about how it ended and the anger/bitterness it brought out in me that I ended up confessing to a priest (as I was a Catholic back then) about the hatred I'd fostered. I didn't go into the dirty details of the relationship - I even left out that the person I hated was my ex - but he counselled me to reconcile with him and make things right.
I couldn't do it. I still can't do it. If my ex were to randomly drop me a "why hallo thar" email, I honestly think I'd delete it and not respond. I don't feel really mad or in pain when I think about the guy, but were the situation to present itself, I couldn't bring myself to let him be a part of my life. I don't think this is evil. I think I'm being sensible and smart about my time and my heart.
Maybe Scripture says something different, but I haven't actually thought about this situation seriously, as I trust God won't let the ex and I cross paths again until I'm capable of doing the right thing, if by then, the right thing would be reconciling with him as a (very) distant acquaintance. If that happens, I'll pray a lot about it...but for now...I'm just happy the guy's outta here.
What are your relationships with your exes like now? Is it unbiblical to cut someone out of your life completely when God tells us to "live in harmony with one another" and to "bless those who persecute you?"
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I've
only have had a total of two relationships. My first boyfriend, let's
call him D, had been my close friend before we became
boyfriend-girlfriend. After a somewhat dramatic relationship, he broke
up with me and we had no contact for a while. after a month though, he
apologized for cutting me out of his life and now we're even closer
friends, though we both agreed that to try out a relationship once more
would be disastrous.
my second boyfriend, N... well, I loved him.
I honestly did. but he broke up with me over facebook (for dumb cliche
reasons, like "it's not you it's me", etc) and continues to ignore my
existence, even though we're in the same circle of friends and sit near
each other in two classes. So as far as I know, there is no
relationship.
I'm not much of a bible person, but the way I see
it... If having that person in your life is going to make you sin
[seeking revenge, spreading vicious rumors, or just not treating them
nicely], it's best to have them out of your life until you can either
cope with those feelings or completely abstain from any thought of
them.
Keep praying and God will help you find forgiveness, and help you "bless those who persecute you".
YOu can forgiver someone and move on. You don't have to have any type of contact with him. In life we do move on from things.
I have two posts dedicted to this very topic. God bless.
From ISaac.
Sometimes the best thing to do in order to fully heal is to move on completely without any contact at all. SOme people can remain friends others just can't work it out. If the potential to get hurt is there, than that also means the potential to heal can take even longer.
God bless.
God does not call us to be in abusive relationships. Sometimes unhealthy relationships need to be cut off so that both of you can live a healthy lifestyle and heal. You can love your "enemies" by praying for them, wishing them good things, and by the you act around them if you ever have to be.
A good book on the subject is "Boundaries" by Dr Henry Cloud & Dr John Townsend. It is a Christian book.One can be completely cut off from an ex and be in harmony with him.
I agree with the three comments above.
I am very good friends with my ex, mostly because I realize know it was sort of an "impulsive" relationship and I don't think we were both in love as we thought we were.
I don't speak to any of my exes.
I have forgiven them for any mistakes that they have made, or for anytime that they had hurt me, because I made mistakes too.
Don't dwell on the past too much, God will open many new doors for you.
"Above all else, guard your heart;
for it is the wellspring of life."
Proverbs 4:23
Really good topic to discuss. :)
Have you ever read C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity? Although the book isn't soley about this kind of thing, he gets into some really great detail about the idea of loving our enemies. I really think he got it right, too.
In my opinion and from what I've read of scripture, I don't think we need to actually keep a relationship going in order to love our neighbours. It's more about how we chose to respond to them, rather than actually putting in effort to keep a friendship going if we don't get along. Because lets face it, some people simply don't get along because they are too different. God doesn't want us to be friends with every person in the world, but He wants us to care about them. If they need help, we are to help them because God tells us to -- even when we don't feel like it. If they speak to us on the street we should treat them with courtesy and kindness, rather than trying to avoid them or respond harshly. This doesn't mean we should go up to them and start a conversation, but it means we should at least be polite. They're God's children too and He loves them, even if they are against Him.
It may be really hard to get over feelings from a relationship if one is still in contact (I'm going through that problem right now -- currently 3 years single and counting, and I STILL can't get over my ex even with very little contact). However, that's where I think we need to give it to God. :) Ask Him to do His will, that we may heal and move on if He wishes us to...and that if it's so needed, He guide ourselves and our ex apart until (if ever) God needs us to be in contact again.
Not wanting to be friends with a person because we don't get along is not exactly evil, so long as we react in a Christian manner when confronted with them. :)
Good topic. I can totally see where you are coming from because I am dealing with what appears to be the exact same issue. I agree that you don't have to be friends with an ex if you feel that it is damaging to you. How can you be friends with someone you can't trust? I agree with the comments above that the best thing that a Christian can do in a situation like this is to constantly pray for your ex and pray that you can someday 100% forgive him and sincerely wish him well. In that sense, you can be a "friend" to him, "love your enemies," all the while guarding your heart.
Forgiving my ex for the things he did to hurt me, involved doing it over and over again as I discovered each new thing that he had done, even after we were apart. What helped the most was to remember that God loves him every bit as deeply and passionately as He loves ME. And that all of my needs won't require God to play favorites while He meets both our needs. That's a comfort.
I think that detachment is good; but it must be fair and objective. You must be willing to admit where you ignored red flags that said the relationship had a toxic potential. Otherwise, you cannot be healthy in the way that you handle any chance encounters.
@mamalove@momaroo - I agree with your comment very much, and that book Boundaries also crossed my mind when I read the post. Good job in mentioning it.
@IntoTheCrimsonSky - You also did great in mentioning that being civil or courteous does not involve nor require friendship. Good response!
All in all a very important topic to discuss!
this guy was never really my boyfriend, because back when him & i were "talking", i was still too young to date in parents' eyes. but i do look at him like an ex, because he was pretty much the closest thing to a boyfriend to me.
him and i always had a rocky relationship, because he was the type of guy that didn't like to express his feelings. when he got mad at me, he would just stop talking to me and not tell me what's going on.
him and i mainly fell out because of his cousin. she told him that i disrespected her when we talked, and because she's his cousin, he took her side. honestly though, his cousin didn't like him and he knew that, and he also told me that is cousin is capable of things like that, but he still took her side.
him and i are no longer "talking", and he has moved on to someone else. we've been "broken up" for since february of last year, and it's been hard for me to see him with somebody for a while. but we talked it over ..i told him i still loved him and that he will always have a special place is my heart. and he said the same, even though i don't believe him too much.
we have a class together right now at school, and at first i thought it would be hard being in the same class with him, but he's grown on me & i think we've both learned things about each other that we didn't, just because we actually have a class together. i'm actually happy to see him with his new gf, because i can tell that he's really happy. i used to think he was just garbage as a person and treated me bad, but seeing him with her i just came to find that he would treat the person right that he really wanted to be with, and i just wasn't the one for him.
but him and i have reconciled. trust me, it's possible. when him and i fell out, i despised every breath, laugh, blink, and step he took. lol, but i just let time take it's course and now it's all good. i keep my fair distance, and he keeps his. and i think that's the best thing him and i can do. but i'll always love him, and i'll never deny that.
Someone once said, to love your enemies doesn't necessarily mean you have to like them (hence, much less become friends with them). The bible says there's a time for everything under heaven - there's a time for searching, a time for losing, a time for embracing and a time to refrain from embracing. I believe only God can give us the wisdom to accept all these things as part of His plan.
I've just gotten out of a 9-year relationship with my ex a few months ago. It was a sudden break-up and something I was not expecting. But the realisation came and from what i know, he's moved on now. We've not been in touch since the relationship ended. On hindsight, I think if i was still in touch with him, i would might have found it difficult and even harder for me to move on.
I realised during the period of time I was not in touch with my ex, I found God and myself again. I could mourn my brokeness and focus on recovering and finding my life again, rather than wondering to myself about him (my ex). I found the time to reconnect with old/good friends and to do the things that I always wanted to (but never did as I was too occupied with him) - like salsa/guitar classes. I also joined activities in church that allowed me to use my talents for Him. I felt a lot better as a person than I was in my relationship with him.
Of course it was difficult initially as I could not get over the rejection. I found it hard to understand and to accept the fact that things ended the way it did. I asked myself questions like maybe I was not good enough for him to love me, hence he found someone else - but after sometime, i realised there were many other issues. I was determined at first to not think about things and just run the race ahead to forget it, but eventually I started reflecting and realising certain things. I guess we were just too different. And God had other plans for me.
What I needed then at that point in time was not a connection with my ex, but rather, a connection with God. A God whom I know would cover me and make me whole again. Like the verse in the earlier post, the bible does teach us to guard our hearts and be careful to whom we open up and give our hearts to. Hence, i think its good to keep a distance from an ex for awhile until you're whole and healthy again (my experience).
A friend once said that when we let something go, God takes it and fits it in His own time as a part of His own divine plan.
For one, the bible does speak about cutting off any part of us that causes us to sin. Hence, i think if your ex is not a christ-centred person, much less someone who builds you up in a christ-like manner as a person in his relationship with you, then the best thing to do is to cut yourself off from that person entirely... until you're whole again.
Every relationship teaches us something about ourselves, and about God. Hence, i think our time alone after a relationship is the best opportunity for us to grow and rediscover God. Rather than trying to find someone to fill up that need, a walk in the wilderness/loneliness towards self discovery and realisation might be a better solution instead. One book that spoke to me and helped me to learn a lot about myself from my relationship was "Dating with Boundaries" - by Dr John Townsend and Dr Henry Cloud. An excellent book for anyone in (or has been in) a relationship.
Here's my advice, and someone may have already said this.
I think God understands that it's pretty hard to love your ex right now. Maybe someday. But at this point, I'd remind you to pray for your "enemy", and don't forget it's more than okay to pray for yourself, too, that you will get to the point where you can feel no hatred toward him!I'll pray for you, too.
I'm in a very similar situation. This is what I'm trying to do. I hope I helped. <3
I think we should leave it to God. Maybe someday you'll wake up and be able to be friends with your ex, maybe you never will.
He put the ex in there for a reason. If you guys were meant to be friends then you'll eventually find a way. With that being said though, dont hold on to the angst and anger.
We see so many people passing us each day, some ppl we'll only see once in our lifetime. Time is like a filter..... it takes out all the people you dont need and all the ones that stay are the ones that actually matters..
Time. Thats all it takes
i try
I try my hardest to be friends with those I loved before, I mean, they were a big part of my life for awhile. But usually, their new girlfriends are upset and so we just do the smile/wave thing.
I know things ended for a reason and I would never try to ruin the great relationship that I have now, so i just let things be.
it is not evil at all.
it is necessary.
if we kept all the junk in our lives we would be bogged down.
people leave churches. people break up. people move. transfer schools. life is full of moving on, losses, and gains.
there are quite a few people ive had to cut out of the picture. ive changed my number twice. blocked people from my websites. it just has to be done. and although it can be sad at times and sucky, its for the best.
I really was against the idea of being friends with my exes. It hurt badly enough that it end- should I make myself suffer more? In the end, the following happened:
My mom pressured me to remain in contact, and good friends, with my first ex. We're actually really close friends now, and have a great relationship (especially now that I'm married).
I really wanted - and tried- to have a similar relationship with my second ex, but he cut me out of his life completely (to be fair, I think I kind of hurt him). He sent me a snappy email when he found out I was getting married, to the extent of, "I-know-we're-not-talking-but-why-didn't-you-tell-me". I got insulted. We're still not talking.
I really love the friendship I have with my first ex, we've been friends for 7 years now total. I wish I could be friends with my second ex. It's really the best way to get over the hurt, the what-ifs, etc. My second ex will always hate me (despite his being a Christian) for the way things turned out. In his mind, it's my fault (maybe it is). We didn't have a chance to work through that, "post break-up".
It's a difficult call, and no matter what you want to do, you can't always do it. Sometimes it's better to "let sleeping dogs lie", and so-on.
I do believe that if God feels it's tome for you to get back in touch, He'll send you a sign. Maybe it'll be in the form of that much-dreaded "why hallo thar" email. You never know.
Take care, n good luck!
Julianna
gosh i hope it's not wrong to protect yourself when necessary by cutting a person out of your life, because that's what i've done. for the sake of sanity, safety and so i can feel safe. sometimes i think about it in terms of "loving your enemies" and everything. i know that. but i cut him out of my life and if i was faced with the same choice again, i would do the same in a heartbeat. he was abusive and manipulative; when i dumped him, he harassed me; when i asked for help, he got dramatic. so. he's blocked on EVERYthing, and occasionally when he does get a message through, i ignore it. he doesn't have a right to be part of my life unless i say so. i do think it would be wrong to spread rumors, to attack him, to take revenge. so i do nothing.