Thursday, November 13, 2008

  • Hypnosis: Wicked, Whack, or Well-Founded?

    marigold by miss marigold 

    What Do You Believe About Hypnosis?

    Growing up, adults (especially the Christian adults in my life) often warned me about hypnosis. Although I've never considered undergoing hypnosis (though it'd be awfully convenient to painlessly get over my insomnia or caffeine addiction), I've tried to figure out why, in my experience, the practice has such a negative stigma within the Christian community.

    There's definitely a supernatural, almost superstitious connotation to the word: I kept hearing that hypnosis may lead to demon possession or influence - that is, relinquishing control of your mental faculties allows the devil to come in as you are unprotected by conscious thought. 

    Of course, that freaked me out when I was a kid, but now that I'm older, I'm not so sure about those warnings I received. Since when do my thoughts own me? I don't want to entrust my conscious with protecting me from the devil - isn't that God's job? At the same time, I understand that we must do everything to resist evil - but is hypnosis really EVIL? If anything, I question its ability to consistently, and thorougly, heal any given individual. Maybe that's where the bad stigma comes in - while both hypnosis and Christ promise to transform a person, a Christian turning to hypnosis instead of to Christ may suggest a lack of trust on the Christian's part.

    Here's what Wikipedia says about hypnosis (with sources cited from various psychology journals):

    Hypnosis is a distinctive, often trance-like mental state that is induced by an organized pattern of suggestions, usually verbal in nature, beginning with the suggestion of relaxation.

    Although the long held popular view was that hypnosis is form of unconsciousness, the informed contemporary view is that it is actually a wakeful state of focused attention and heightened suggestibility, with diminished peripheral awareness.

    According to the American Psychological Association's Division 30, hypnosis may bring about "...changes in subjective experience, alterations in perception, sensation, emotion, thought or behavior." The hypnotic state may also facilitate change in the body: it has been successfully used as a treatment for irritable bowel syndrome], as an alternative to chemicl anaesthesia and it has been studied as a way to soothe skin ailments.

    While I don't believe there's anything wrong with hypnosis, I wouldn't try it at this point because letting another human being induce in me an alternate state of awareness scares me a little.

    What do you believe about hypnotism? Have you ever undergone hypnosis - and if you haven't, would you consider it if there were something in your life you wanted to get past?

Comments (17)

  • insaneblogger@xanga

    its just as effective as EST

  • Stephanie_J_B@xanga

    I think it's weird....I never would!!

  • StrawberryRose53@xanga

    I wouldn't let anyone, even someone who is well educated, mess with your mind like that.  It seems to be almost like putting a dream into memory, or like bringing a memory from a dream.  It's cloudy regardless. 


    You can do it to yourself gently with meditation.  That way, it's just your will against your will, not someone else's will guiding through your soul, taking from it what it wills and leaving what it pleases. 


    I'm not sure if meditation's offensive to your religion though.

  • shanella

    I think the idea of a person having "control" over you is what is not right ... we shouldn't be exercising such dominion over each other.

    Also, God never take us into trances or experiences that we will not remember or have no control over existing so why allow a human to do that to us? that to me is sketch so I won't do it.

  • chiltons99@xanga

    I have never undergone hypnosis.  I am a Christian, and I believe the warnings of hypnosis ought to be taken seriously.  Why in the world would anyone allow themselves to have their mind "cleared" out and under control by someone or something else?  If God wants us to remember or be aware of something mentally - He will reveal it to us. 


    I did have a doctor suggest hypnosis to me one time as an adult.  I changed doctors and never went back to the other one.  Hypnosis is not an answer of getting past something.  Your thoughts and your heart can be deceiving - inducing thoughts you may or may not have right can be quite dangerous.  Steer clear - Christian or not.


  • romic@xanga

    Hypnosis: Christians aren't to engage in this because is suspends our free will. Maybe it could give evil spirits a way to persecute us. It could be give them a toe hold.

    From a mental health perspective, in its worst case scenario could lead to sexual abuse by an unethical  'therapist'.

    When someone is hypnotized for the first time, it doesn't involve all of their free will. People can be bullied into this.  If a someone is hypnotized once then all it would take for them to be re-hypnotized is for the hypnotist to have implanted a code word, ________,any word at all. Fill in the blank. The person would then snap back into a hypnotized state upon hearing the word. This is called a post hypnotic suggestion.

    The hypnotist can implant false memories, even amnesia to cover up any wrong doing. He can introduce aversion to things, people. It can become a form of brainwashing.

    MY ADVICE: Don't do it!!! If your therapist even brings up the subject--RUN AWAY QUICK!!

  • whataboutbahb@xanga

    @chiltons99@xanga - 

    "If God wants us to remember or be aware of something mentally - He will reveal it to us. "

    You realize this is basically the same adapted arguement that people used (and some still do) against medicine. I mean if it's God will, why try to thwart it right? It helps if you think of mental health and physical health as similar.

    "Hypnosis is not an answer of getting past
    something.  Your thoughts and your heart can be deceiving - inducing
    thoughts you may or may not have right can be quite dangerous.  Steer
    clear - Christian or not."

    I might be recalling this incorrectly but everything I've heard about hypnosis is that it is not effective in trying to "force" you to do something that would you would be against. As well as it only works on some people, who have a higher degree of suggestibility. Basically, I think you are giving hypnosis too much credit. For the people that it works for, I see it as really them doing it for themselves but viewing hypnosis as what is pushing them forward. Have you ever played a team sport before? Ever hear a motivational speech? Well think of hypnosis as an extension of that. It works for some people, it doesn't work for others. 

  • too_pretty_to_die@xanga

    hypnosis is as faith-based as Christianity is.  it only works if you believe in it.

  • chiltons99@xanga

    @whataboutbahb@xanga - You can see it however you please.  I didn't ask for agreement.  I just posted my opinion as a Christian.

  • msLadygee@xanga

    I don't think hypnosis is a bad thing or anything that goes against Christianity, although when I was younger, I also heard that hypnosis was wrong, whatever reasons that came with it. I think hypnosis helps to clear one's mind, works like yoga/meditation. I used to have troubles sleeping, and then I found some useful hypnosis methods online that helped me to get better sleeps. I don't see how it has anything to do with "opening the mind gaps and letting the demons to get in."

  • ashleyannaka@xanga

    My mom used to be a hypnotherapist.


    For all those who are saying "I wouldn't let anyone have control over my mind like that" etc, they can't, unless you let them. Hypnosis only works if you let it.


    When I was younger, and when my mom was a hypnotherapist, I often had many headaches. Hypnotherapy can be helpful. My mom suggested I try it, but since I was young and didn't really care a whole lot about it I was never able to ACTUALLY be hypnotised.


    Also, it's all about how susceptible you are to the suggestions being made, etc. As I said, you have to WANT to be hypnotised. Honestly, it's kind of just someone giving you some encouragement. With the pain management aspect though, it's sort of the same, you're training your brain via suggestions from someone else to be less receptive to pain. It's sort of like maybe meditation or something.


    I do not think it's evil.

  • andrepose@xanga

    I played around with hypnotism when I was in Highschool, I actually figured out how to hypnotize people against their will. Mind you it took some determination. It is possible. So don't give me that stuff about letting people have control. I am pretty sure I screwed up one of my friends pretty bad (psychologically)
    I have been through, and done a fair bit of deliverance ministry and hypnosis seems to come up as related to witchcraft.
    All I can say is do your research. (not just wikipedia) look at the people involved in bringing it into the mainstream. Look at what they were into. I am sure if you do your research you will find it's true source. (Try James Braid, New Thought, Theosophy, that should more than get you started.) In the end it really does come down to spiritual discernment, something that I believe is quite scarce in "christianity" these days.

  • whataboutbahb@xanga

    @andrepose@xanga - 

    "I played around with hypnotism when I was in
    Highschool, I actually figured out how to hypnotize people against
    their will. Mind you it took some determination. It is possible. So
    don't give me that stuff about letting people have control. I am pretty
    sure I screwed up one of my friends pretty bad (psychologically)"

    There's a difference between being psychologically abusive (and causing potentially long term damage) and using super powers to make people do what you want them to. Charisma and persuasiveness are not evil traits, but that doesn't mean a person can't use them to damage someone else.

    I would encourage anyone to try and hypnotize me against my will, that idea is utterly ridiculous. Do you believe in voodoo dolls, Ouija boards, unicorns, and all sorts of other magical things as well? How on earth can someone reach such a relaxed state that they might become more open to suggestions when they are being forced?

  • whataboutbahb@xanga

    The general acceptance of how evil and dangerous hypnosis is kind of shocks me. It's basically pseudo-science, it might work in some limited situations but the sucess of it might be just a placebo effect. And who really cares the background it came from? It's like calling acupuncture evil because it comes from a "heathen" background. Does that mean everyone should be going out and trying hypnosis and acupuncture? More than likely it is a waste of money, but who knows it might help you (or it just might be you helping yourself).


    And as for people worried about hypnosis letting people create false memories, tamper around with what we remember or don't remember, and "discover" repressed memories.....take a psychology class. Memory is highly suspect as is, everyone creates false memories in some fashion or another (some can create very vivid false memories without even being aware of doing so). And as for repressed memories....the existence of such memories itself is controversial, many psychologists people that they are false memories created by the power of suggestion (and no that doesn't have to be hypnosis. Talking to a counselor about the possiblity of you being molested as a child might make you recall that uncle of yours whose dead now but you really hated, confuse all that negative emotion you felt towards him, combine it with other memories from your childhood that either happened to you or happened to people you know, and walah! You now have a memory of an abusive uncle. Not that everyone does this, but it does happen.


    To cite an example from a interesting book on the topic of how the mind works (Mistakes were Made (but not by me) by Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson) one of the authors talks about how as an adult she has this great memory of her father always reading one of her favorite childhood books to her....well that is until as an adult she randomly found out the year that same book was published and it was only published after her dad had passed away. She guessed that she had associated some of the qualities that she loved the book for as some of the traits exemplified by her father, and thus the brain had managed to group the two together. This is someone who is an expert on the subject and yet even she can't avoid the unreliability of memories.


    Basically this was just a long rant, but the point I was trying to get across....stop trying to give stuff like this more credit then its due. Our minds are what are incredibly complex and powerful, not a pseudo-science procedure like hypnosis.

  • andrepose@xanga

    @whataboutbahb@xanga -  Whether it's ridiculous or not I did it. I admit when I was a teenager I could be a manipulative jerk as well, but I know that it is possible, from my experience. They call hypnotism 'the power of suggestion' well it's not to far to go until it's manipulation.
     As far as voodoo dolls and ouija boards the bible specifically teaches against these kinds of things in the old testament because they were gateways to the spiritual realms. Demons are real the bible is pretty specific on that one. There is debate on what they are exactly, but not a whole lot of valid debate on their actual existence.
    I believe that you think the current mainstream scientific knowledge is the pinnacle of history but I am certain that the bible teaches that we are just moving further into depravity as a culture. There is much more to the world than we can judge scientifically. Step off the beaten path, the world is a whole lot different than our media/educational indoctrination would have us believe.
    And also I do not give hypnotism or any other occult thing more credit than it is due. Jesus is the most powerful spiritual or physical being we will ever encounter, and if He is in us and we are in Him then it follows that we have authority over all these things. In Christ, all curses can be broken and all powers can be overthrown.
    whataboutbahb - I will guarantee to you that there is a spiritual realm and dealing with it outside of Christ Jesus is incredibly dangerous. Ephesians 6:12. Blessings to you!

  • whataboutbahb@xanga

    @andrepose@xanga - 

    "As far as voodoo dolls and ouija boards the
    bible specifically teaches against these kinds of things in the old
    testament because they were gateways to the spiritual realms."

    Hrmmm what version are you reading out of? Maybe you did not mean specifically, or maybe I'm just flat out wrong, but I do not recall a specific reference to voodoo dolls or oiuja boards anywhere in the Bible, ot or nt. Not that I'm trying to make the arguement these are perfectly fine thing for christians to engage in, but my arguement was that these things do not have supernatural powers within themselves.

    "I will guarantee to you that there is a spiritual realm and dealing with it outside of Christ Jesus is incredibly dangerous."

    I never meant to try to make the point of my comment that there was 0% chance of a spiritual realm, merely that thinking hypnosis is equivalent to mind control, oiuja boards invoke spirits of the dead, and vodoo dolls work, etc is somewhat silly for both christians and non-christians to believe. Belief in demons is certainly not silly for christians to believe in, but in that case do you think you were channeling demons when you "hypnotized" your friends? Because if you were tapping into the spiritual realm (because in the physical one, "force hypnotizing" someone is not really possible), unless you believe it was God granting you the power, it was Satan or demonic forces. You never stated you think you channeled demons in high school, so I assumed you thought you had this "power" on your own (which, going by the rules of the physical world, is ridiculous).

    "Step off the beaten path, the world is a whole lot different than our media/educational indoctrination would have us believe."

    I generally don't watch the news and a good portion of my eduaction is self-taught, but please enlighten me to the difference.

  • andrepose@xanga

    @whataboutbahb@xanga - Meh. I don't think i am crazy or anything I just believe that hypnotism is a door way, and I don't believe the 'rule' that hypnotism is only possible for the willing. That's something the hypnotists tell you so that if you don't really want to be hypnotized you won't be.
    So whatever you want to believe about that. It's probably safer to believe that you can't be hypnotized if you don't want to be.
    Also I am sorry, i generally come on here when I am tired and I like to throw stuff out there. I think I may have read into your comment wrong.
    Oh yeah. I meant in the bible "KINDS" of things "ouija boards, voodoo dolls."
    Have a good one.

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